Ricky Gervais = arsehole

I’ve never been one of the people who thought Ricky Gervais was a comedy genius.  To me, ‘comedy genius’ implies being a great writer and a great performer.

Peter Cook and Dudley Moore were comedy geniuses.  The Monty Python team were a collective comedy genius.  Joyce Grenfell was a comedy genius.  Stan Laurel was a comedy genius.  Dylan Moran is a comedy genius.  Billy Connolly used to be a comedy genius – the unexpurgated version of An Audience with Billy Connolly is arguably the funniest (recorded) stand-up show by a British comedian ever – and occasionally still shows flashes of his former brillianceRob Newman is a comedy genius.  Linda Smith might have become a comedy genius if she’d lived longer.  Steve Punt and Hugh Dennis are a collective genius (and criminally underrated, if you ask me).  Bill Bailey has distinct genius-like tendencies, as does Jennifer SaundersMarcus Brigstocke and Kenneth Williams and Jeremy Hardy and Nina Conti and Stephen Fry and Phil Jupitus and Julian Clary and Simon Amstell and Dawn French and Graeme Garden and Paul Merton and Eddie Izzard and Victoria Wood and Paul O’Grady probably aren’t comedy geniuses, but I still love them anyway.*

Ricky Gervais, on the other hand, is a lacklustre writer and an abysmal performer.  He’s not as cancerously unfunny as Matt Lucas and David Walliams (who is?), but he runs them a close second.

For me, The Office was like a programme written by someone who’d only made it through two-thirds of Sitcom Writing for Dummies.  He’d read the stuff about creating a good scenario, and he’d obviously been taking notes during the bits when they’d talked about creating well-observed characters, but what had completely passed him by was the need to write funny dialogue.  A good sitcom – like The IT Crowd, or Black Books, or The Thick of It – is about well-observed characters in a well thought-out scenario who say and do funny things.  As far as I could see, The Office was a sit without the com.  Sitting and watching it I felt like I used to when I watched Vic Reeves’ Big Night Out as a teenager – why are people laughing at this?  This is a good comedy setup, but they haven’t paid it off.  There was, as far as I could tell, nothing that was actually funny, just a bunch of things that might have become funny if they’d been worked on by someone talented.

The ‘joke’ started to wear even thinner when it became apparent that David Brent wasn’t, as most people had assumed, a brilliant ‘comic creation’ but was in fact just a fractionally exaggerated version of Ricky Gervais.  When people thought they were laughing at a fatuous idiot who made racist/sexist/everything-ist comments, it was all safely ‘postmodern’ and ‘ironic’, and so it was ok to laugh – ‘Oh, my dear, no, I’m not laughing at what he says, I’m laughing because he says it.’  But, once he started to do his ’stand-up’ tours it became abundantly clear that, for at least two-thirds of his audience, he was a straightforward observational comedian – ‘he says what we’re all thinking’.  And those two-thirds of his audience would be just as comfortable at a Jim Davidson gig.

(For the record, the problem with Jim Davidson as a comedian (as opposed to what’s wrong with him as a person…) isn’t that he uses ‘politically incorrect’ material, it’s that he does nothing with it.  He gets a laugh from people who agree with him because they agree with him, not because he’s told a funny joke using language or ideas that some people find offensive.  It’s an important distinction, I think – it’s what separates South Park from Bernard Manning.)

By the time Extras came along it was clear Ricky Gervais was rapidly vanishing up his own arse – the whole thing was basically an exercise in arrogance (‘look at all my famous friends…’) – and most people happily acknowledge that his ‘glory days’ are behind him.  Judging by how enthusiastically he was booed at the Comedy Awards last year, here in the UK the backlash has well and truly set in.

But in America, he’s still seen as something of a star, and, going by the rapturous reception he got on The Daily Show this week, quite a big star.  And it was something that he said on The Daily Show (shown on Wednesday in the UK, and broadcast in the US on Tuesday) that has inspired this post.

You can see the interview here, [edit: original link no longer works, but this one still seems to] but if you can’t be bothered wading through the whole thing, this is a transcript of the section that really pissed me off:

But now it’s…the new one is depression.  [Sarcastic tone of voice] ‘Oh yeah, I’m bipolar, I suffer from depression’.  And it’s always over-privileged performers.  You don’t see like… er… like… blue-collar workers, people on minimum wage… er… with that.  Imagine what they’re reading about, these people, going [sarcastic tone of voice] ‘Oh, look at this poor millionaire comedian, he feels alienated.’  It’s like – shut the –ck up.  Jesus.  [3'27 - 3'48 running time on the you tube video]

Well, where to start?

First of all, there’s the familiar idea that mental illness is some kind of designer accessory for the aspiring celebrity.  Immediately before this, he’d been criticising comedians who talk about sex ‘addiction’, and immediately afterwards John Stewart (the presenter) went on to talk about performers who go to rehab clinics for ‘exhaustion’ because they don’t want to admit to drug addiction.  The implication is that mental illness, like sex ‘addiction’ and drugs, is just a part of the celebrity lifestyle.

Now, to be fair to John Stewart (which I’m going to be, because I like him), he comes out of this reasonably well.  He explicitly shifts away from Ricky’s attack on the mentally ill to talk about celebrities who feign ‘exhaustion’, and, by implication, he’s suggesting that Ricky was actually having a go at celebrities who pretend to be mentally ill, not the properly mentally ill.  That’s actually a fairly good catch, and a subtle attempt at trying to finesse Ricky’s blunter point.  It’s worth emphasising that it’s not Ricky Gervais who shifts the ground – he was happy to stand foursquare behind the idea that mental illness is a celebrity con.

Because that’s the second thing that’s so annoying about what he said – the idea that ‘ordinary people’ don’t get depression and bipolar disorder.  I can’t actually work out which part of that irritates me more.  Is it the sheer, breathtaking  ignorance of a man who seems to genuinely believe that manic depression was invented by the Hello generation?  Or the fact that he’s just dismissed the experiences of millions of ‘ordinary people’ who have to live with the relentless day-in, day-out grind of having a mood disorder?

This is a point that Seaneen makes fairly often, but it’s bang on the money, and she’s right to emphasise it – the huge difference in the way mental and physical illnesses are treated by the media and entertainment industries.  Let’s take asthma as an example, or type 1 diabetes.  Like bipolar disorder and severe depression, they’re chronic conditions that can usually be managed with medication, but can also have acute crises that require hospitalisation, and, if left untreated, can lead to death.  Imagine the transcript above with asthma and diabetes in place of depression and bipolar disorder.  No-one would have laughed, and by making those comments, Gervais would have risked doing serious damage to his career.  So far so unfair, but that’s not the real issue.  The real issue is that it wouldn’t even have occurred to him to make the ‘joke’ in the first place.  That’s how vast the difference between mental and physical illness is.

People make jokes about embarrassing or painful physical conditions all the time, of course.  If I had £10 for every male comedian of a certain age who I’ve seen make jokes about their prostate, and the experience of having it examined I’d have…er… well £20, at least.  But with those kinds of jokes – at least when they get shown on the TV – there’s always a sense of laughing with the sufferer.  There’s no sense that someone is being attacked as a bad person because they have an embarrassing physical illness.  In fact, to get a big laugh when talking about a physical problem, a comedian pretty much has to explicitly say that they’re not laughing at the sufferer.

If that was the way mental illness was treated by comedians I wouldn’t have a problem with it.  In fact, I’d be pleased.  I’d sooner chew my leg off than become one of those arsehole killjoys who sit around waiting to be offended, or who assume that because some of the consequences of mental illness aren’t funny, the whole topic is off-limits for humour.  As far as I’m concerned, no topic should be off-limits for humour (although there are several where you’d hope that comedians might want to tread carefully).

One of the greatest things about the MH blogosphere, I think, is that it’s not po-faced, and full of relentless woe-is-me misery.  We all have our moments of that, of course, but the default approach amongst us all seems to be to play up an ironic or sarcastic approach to our experiences.  We make jokes, usually at our own expense, and we’re pleased if  people laugh at them.  I’d be perfectly happy if comedians – even comedians with no experience of mental illness – joined in with that.  Jo Brand is famously an ex-mental nurse, and she doesn’t often make jokes about mental illness, but when she does they’re funny, and they’re not attacking the mentally ill, just some of the absurdities that exist.

In that sense, she’s pretty much the opposite of Ricky Gervais.  His ‘joke’ wasn’t about mental illness, it was about the mentally ill.  And it wasn’t about laughing with the mentally ill, it was about laughing at them, because the whole concept of being mentally ill is a fake.  But then again, of course, Jo Brand is very different to Ricky Gervais in another way, too.  She wasn’t on my list of comedy geniuses at the start of this post, and I’m not sure she deserves to be, but she is about a million times funnier than Ricky Gervais.

* – this is, btw, only the edited highlights of comedians I like, and only taken from the ranks of British and Irish comedians.**

** – ok, I admit it – Joyce Grenfell and Stan Laurel are both Anglo-American rather than British or Irish.  Why yes, I am a dyed-in-the-wool comedy geek.  How ever could you tell?  ;o)

21 Responses

  1. Excellent post. You have expressed the thoughts of many of us, and we can only thank you for doing so. It is no wonder that we have to endure the stigma of mental illness when so-called comedians are allowed to make comments like this and be totally unaware of the hurt that they are causing. Mental illness is serious and is not something that should be treated in this manner.

  2. Word. He’s willing to pick on a vulnerable section of the community to raise some cheap laughs and doesn’t care who he hurts.

    My political activism rarrrrrr is high right now as I just went to see Milk and it inspired me. Excellent movie.

  3. Good post. Heck, all your posts are good :o)

    Yes. Gervais is an arse, but you raise good points. The ‘problem’ with mentalism is there is no obvious physicality, generally anyway. So, as we all know, it’s not uncommon and indeed it’s very easy to ‘adopt’ a mental illness. Be it to cover up some other problem (alcohol, insecurity), or just plain old fashioned attention seeking.
    Whilst I in no way want to be seen to be defending Gervais at all, I suspect this is what he was alluding too. But given he isn’t graced with an intelligent tongue in his head, he fucked it up entirely.
    I think the point of the whole section of that exchange (I watched it, through gritted teeth), was the celeb propensity to have a pet illness, and the affliction of choice currently seems to be Depression, or especially Bipolar, and that the average man in the street with Bipolar all of a sudden finds himself with a designer illness, rather than common or garden depression.

    Anyway that said, must congratulate you on a fine parade of comic legends. But yes, I agree, Gervais, wanker.

  4. Gervais is a cunt. End of. But spot on post there. Thanks, it needed saying. I think? Just so we can all agree and say that’s what we think too, because evidently we do. I hate his fucking false count dracula smile that for some reason the grauniad has on its website every other day! Cunt! Cunt! Fucking Cunt!!! (As Peter Cook might have said.)

  5. I agree 100%.

  6. I completely agree about Punt and Dennis. The Now Show is the only current ‘comedy’ that I go out of my way to listen to. Having said that, I think they do much better on radio than they did on the television.

  7. “You don’t see like… er… like… blue-collar workers, people on minimum wage… er… with that”

    I would like to invite him to come down to my last placement, sit in on a couple of sessions with some of the ‘blue-collar’ depressives and take a look at the 3 month waiting list for appointments for people with ‘made up’ illnesses. I would like to, but I won’t, because as Abysmal says, he’s a cunt and I don’t want to talk to him.

    And Black Books is superb. I *heart* Dylan Moran.

  8. Thanks for all the comments – it looks as though i struck a chord with quite a few of you there. :o)

    Pole to Polar – excellent 4 word summary of my post there :o)

    madsadgirl – i think you’re right to say that comments like those made by Ricky Gervais do reinforce stigma, but i also think they only exist because of stigma. It would be nice, of course, if people with access to the media were part of the solution rather than part of the problem.

    DeeDee Ramona – i agree. Oh, and Milk is definitely on my ‘to see’ list. :o)

    mortjo – thank you for the kind words! I do agree that the label of mental illness gets misapplied sometimes, and that particularly happens with people in the public eye, as when Britney Spears shaving her hair off was interpreted as meaning she must be bipolar. My feeling watching the Gervais interview was that it was John Stewart who shifted onto the ‘celebrity fakers’ angle, and Gervais just followed him there, but i’m prepared to concede that Gervais might have been intending to say that, and it was pre-existing dislike of him that made me interpret what he said so uncharitably. Oh, and i’m pleased you liked my list of comedians. :o)

    abysmal musings – sorry, i’m not quite clear – were you saying you didn’t like Ricky Gervais…? ;o) I have to say, as well, that Peter Cook would have made mincemeat of Ricky Gervais (assuming he’d thought he was worth bothering with).

    Lucy McGough – i’m glad to hear it!

    lsnduck – you see, i’m really bad at listening to the Now Show. When i hear it i love it, but i never seem to get round to listening. One of the funniest things i’ve ever heard was on the Now Show, several years ago now, when Hugh Dennis unexpectdly did the ‘That’s you, that is’ punchline from the Newman and Baddiel ‘History Professor’ sketches, and followed it up by saying ‘I wonder what happenned to the other two? You don’t here much from them anymore…’ I laughed for about a week when i heard that.* :o)

    cellar_door – yes, it did seem quite remarkably ignorant, didn’t it? And as for hearting Dylan Moran – well, there’s a queue. I think i’m 997,463rd in line… ;o)

    (* – Explanatory note, if anyone needs it: in the late 80s and early 90s, Punt and Dennis were in The Mary Whitehouse Experience (on Radio 1, and then BBC2) with another duo, Rob Newman and David Baddiel. TMWE was astonishingly succesful, and incredibly hip, and at the time a lot of trendy young urban types stopped following music (which was at a very loe ebb at the time, anyway) and started following comedy instead. Newman and Baddiel went on to have massive success, selling out venues bigger than had ever been sold out by comedians before, and had previously only been associated with big name bands, like Wembley Arena (Punt & Dennis were the second comedians to achieve this with their ‘Milky Milky’ tour). Despite their success (or, David Baddiel says, because of it) they ended up spectacularly falling apart in a series of rows that were as least as bad as those between Lennon and McCartney, or Morrissey and Marr.)

  9. My partner and I tried to access the interview and found it had been removed for some reason. Personally I can’t work up much of a head of steam about what he said. It’s entirely in keeping with his persona which does have ‘arsehole’ written all over it, and he did little but highlight his own ignorance. I feel a little guilty now for ever having liked The Office or some of his stand-up.

    Thanks for a very interesting post though, A. You truly are ‘comedy geek’ par excellence. Love, Zoe

  10. Amen. I watched Gervais’ Politics show once, and got about 15 minutes in before wanting to kick my TV in. So this latest thing doesn’t really surprise me. He’s a smarmy, self-satisfied, unfunny, pig-ignorant twat.
    I like your list of comedy geniuses (although I’d dispute including Jo Brand, given that I’ve only ever heard her tell three jokes). I think limiting yourself to only British and Irish ones misses a few people who always deserve mentions in any kind of ‘best comedians’ list, though. Bill Hicks, Richard Pryor, and Mitch Hedberg. ‘Course, for all the great comedians the US has produced, they did balance it out with Carlos Mencia and Larry The Cable Guy. Oh, and Dane Cook. And Margaret Cho. Wait, I’d better stop here before I go off on a hate-rant.

  11. Another vote of disdain for Gervais. I never thought the Office character involved much acting.

  12. Although I wouldn’t call tim minchin a comedy genius, but this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujUQn0HhGEk is pretty good.

  13. You absolute retard! Just because you cannot grasp the subtleties of his humor, don’t be sour about it! The fact that you have all displayed your anger against his success shows that you are as sour as David Brent himself!

    You all take things for face value and can’t understand why it is funny!

    The UK is full of idiots like yourselves! I bet you all find “Devvo”, hilarious… That would sum it up!

  14. Have you ever heard about a little thing called subjectivity?

    I live ricky,he uses a thing called subtlety in his comedy,the jokes arnt delivered because he trusts his audience,the office is not a slap stick comedy.

  15. [...] do you do? Posted on March 13, 2009 by Pole to Polar: The Secret Life of a Manic Depressive Aetheread the Unread already wrote about this, but here’s Ricky Gervais and his big, idiotic mouth: But now [...]

  16. I like Ricky Gervais, and found The Office funny in an I-want-to-stab-myself sort of way, but he is an arsehole. Great post!

  17. Never been a fan of his or find him even remotely funny.

  18. “Steve Punt and Hugh Dennis are a collective genius” – The whole post lost any credibility at that point.

  19. I FOOKING HATE HIM. WHAT A FOOKING PRICK. I JUST THINK HE THINKS HE’S GREAT, TAKES THE PISS OUT OF LOADS OF GOOD STUFF AND IS A COCK RING! MANY THANKS

  20. I think he’s a rather annoying one trick pony who seems to think very highly of himself despite the self-deprecating act.

    The Office I did find amusing, but you’re right when you say he was only playing a character fractionally different from his true self. It was bizarre to discover this in interviews. There he was, David Brent, the real life version.

    I think the Americans have a tendency of thinking too highly of British comedy and to assume it has some incredible sophistication to it. They don’t understand the context, they just hear this humour, it sounds a little different and has slightly more subtlety to it so they declare it brilliant, often because they want to give the appearance of having a sophisticated palette themselves. It’s a little bit like people who know nothing about wine picking bottles from obscure regions to try and impress their friends.

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